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    We will all have robots soon anyway. Sexbots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok ZA View Post
    We will all have robots soon anyway. Sexbots.
    I'm not entirely sure how it will be a complete upgrade, honestly if you think a mentrating girlfriend is bad when you are horny imagine everytime you want to get it on and she "starting system update" or "we've updated our privacy policy for you to read through"

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    So much for the Friday thread. I've considered your argument and I do see where you are going, there is a dilemma which could go either way but obviously we might not even be around to see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by SauRoN View Post
    Not sure how medicine and tech relate?

    You are quite right humans aren't so binary but that's why I see this moving more towards role based community style interactions and less so of strictly 1:1 ratios of wanting everything from one other person.

    I see a move more towards almost a business like approach to things where you get sex from one (or a few people) but you have a husband/wife in a different context of say being a mother or father with your children and in turn you generate income with another partner and it all integrates into a whole of general happiness based on the role of a particular party and what they bring to the table.

    Which is why I saw the polygamous video linked above as extreme in the opposite direction and misogynistic in nature as it's a 1 man + 5 women. I see it happening more organically in a 3/4 women + 3/4 men or even 3 Men + 3 Women + 3 Other as the world is heading.

    With sexuality and gender blending happening you might find that a woman looks for a sexual partner in another woman but still wants a husband in the context of a father figure to her children. The husband/father in that context fancies big breasted blonde bimbo for sexual gratification but is perfectly happy with the mother/wife as is.
    The medical proponent I didn't thrash out enough at the initial comment. What I meant here was associated to my mentioning of California and it's sexual health crisis; it is a more 'liberal' part of the world already moving in the open direction you suggest above. So if medical breakthroughs don't circumvent potential promiscuity then it would not be an ideal way of life based simply on a practical health consideration. Also the whole gender blending notion is still very minute statistically in comparison but is highly focused upon so there's no necessary end point where it will be prevalent.

    This is true but also works in reverse. Yearning for monogamy also causes and emotive strain in and of itself in many cases, whether embracing the concept of being more open can very well resolve it. The fact that humans desire some meaning is exactly why monogamy is a bottleneck. A person doesn't necessarily require love and affection from their sexual partner but that doesn't mean they don't require it at all.

    So if the balance of sexual desire is maintained for a given partner they can be happier in their emotive state of being with another.

    In essence taking the "sexual" part out of the monogamy argument you could maintain a perfectly monogamous relationship in all other things by having a 1:1 emotive relationship with a given person and a sexual one with others.

    Consider the current state of affairs. We have many different relationships with many different people on a daily basis whether family, friends or colleagues or other interactions through our hobbies or whatever. Jeez this forum for that matter is a relationship with a great many people that your partner approves of. So why is the line specifically drawn at sexual interaction?
    The yearning I mentioned was not for monogamy but deeper connections in line with the whole mind, body and soul of things; things I believe monogamy promotes. I think it would be a mistake to underestimate the power and influence such has on a person. The emotional depth from a love affair with a deep connection can spark all kinds of outcomes both positive or negative. It can 'make' people not themselves. I think there are many cases and many people who can attest.

    Yeah the digital generation and social media is throwing a different spanner in the works. But that very detachment from society while at the same time being more integrated in it is exactly why I see a move away from strictly 1:1 "locked down" relationships.

    We already ask the question whether porn and interactive VR or for that matter real person cam chatting is really one and the same thing. So when you start qualifying that latter "real" interaction as just as okay as watching porn you've already moved the monogamy goal posts from where they were just ten years ago when this wasn't possible.

    The more we advance technologically (I see your point now regarding my first question but still not the medical one) the more common place and acceptable many of these interactions will become.

    Who knows maybe direct physical sexual interactions as we know them fall away completely because everything becomes virtual? Is it then really monogamy in play just because the manner in which we interact has changed? Then it all becomes a question of where do we draw the line.

    As I illustrated above if the physical interaction becomes a virtual one then the emotive side of things would remain. But is it still monogamy if we've allowed that to be the norm?
    Yeah, VR and AI have the capacity to fool the human mind so that is a whole different can of worms. Tech breakthroughs could nullify it all going as I propose as I alluded to earlier. However what is there to suggest that a human in a virtual reality situation would act differently and have different values in such a construct if they are that deeply engaged. It would then just mirror reality, the virtual would be like the real and all issues would translate.

    I suppose I have a strong belief that humans won't succumb to the 'living all alone in a tech box' eating recycled food and booting into a laptop to have a meaningful relationship.

    Like I said ... I still remain firm in that barring technological and medical revolutions then I think we would continue to 'socially evolve' to doing things that strengthen ties and bonds; which I think monogamy only does. Like I said, I look at monogamy as a discipline ... we can't give in to everything we want or feel like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenMasters View Post
    I don't believe that's true, for one thing I doubt previous generations were monogamous - just a lot of sleeping around behind each other's backs. What's happening now is that people are becoming more comfortable with who they are and what they're into and discussing it with their partners, and so you're seeing a much broader scope for what constitutes a working relationship emerging.
    I'm not denying how monogamous previous generations were or are but stating my belief that we are 'socially evolving' towards that end. It wouldn't be like a light switch. I've substantiated my opinion on why I think we'll progress to monogamy. None of us are clairvoyant but at least we must motivate our views.

    Just as an aside I read somewhere that youngsters aren't getting it on like they used to. Haven't really read up on it all, probably will after this topic.

    I really didn't feel like going heavy into the topic tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tan365 View Post
    The medical proponent I didn't thrash out enough at the initial comment. What I meant here was associated to my mentioning of California and it's sexual health crisis; it is a more 'liberal' part of the world already moving in the open direction you suggest above. So if medical breakthroughs don't circumvent potential promiscuity then it would not be an ideal way of life based simply on a practical health consideration. Also the whole gender blending notion is still very minute statistically in comparison but is highly focused upon so there's no necessary end point where it will be prevalent.
    Okay I'm with you now. Although I do think that relates more to the opposite extreme where everyone is ****ing everyone and everything which isn't really how I see it happening.

    I don't see things going the way of massive orgies and crazy free love but rather just that relationships would be less binary and that sexual interaction would move away from cheating more towards a partner approved interaction.

    Mistresses becoming known girlfriends to couples etc. So although more risky medically I don't think massively so.

    Yeah, VR and AI have the capacity to fool the human mind so that is a whole different can of worms. Tech breakthroughs could nullify it all going as I propose as I alluded to earlier. However what is there to suggest that a human in a virtual reality situation would act differently and have different values in such a construct if they are that deeply engaged. It would then just mirror reality, the virtual would be like the real and all issues would translate.
    I actually think it would go completely away from reality as the human brain will always make the differentiation between the real and unreal and therefore might bring out the most extreme sides of people while actually making the real side of things a lot more docile and consistent.

    So in that context it might actually encourage real world monogamy if partners were to allow anything and everything on the non-physical unreal side of things.

    I suppose I have a strong belief that humans won't succumb to the 'living all alone in a tech box' eating recycled food and booting into a laptop to have a meaningful relationship.
    Agreed I also don't see that happening. Like I said above the progression towards VR and other altered reality concepts may very well stabilize the real world for us and make it more normal than ever.

    Like I said ... I still remain firm in that barring technological and medical revolutions then I think we would continue to 'socially evolve' to doing things that strengthen ties and bonds; which I think monogamy only does. Like I said, I look at monogamy as a discipline ... we can't give in to everything we want or feel like.
    Yeah you might have brought me around to your view actually in the context of the Unreal becoming a more every day thing. We might see all the currently destructive and taboo behaviour that causes rifts in our relationships to others moving completely over into the Unreal side of things and in doing so allowing for a deeper interpersonal human connection.

    For that matter it could go completely the other way where real world sexual interaction becomes completely extinct and the balance shifts completely to emotive interaction which would be as much of a problem.
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    @SauRoN I think that's as good as an understanding we'll get from our back and forth. Pretty decent that. However I still think we're both on the surface of it for even how to love someone is regarded differently in this thread; so there are complexities of opinion even there. No way could we have expected full agreement.

    Anyway this was all about putting our views across and not about trying to convince one or the other. Just to consider opinions, so that was cool.

    But where are the views of the wife beater wearing Chads in the group ? ... have the men all been feminized ?

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    **** y'all writing essays on a friday like someone cares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abev View Post
    **** y'all writing essays on a friday like someone cares.
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    If it's any consolation... The unnecessary writing of the essays have ruined the flow of my afternoon. Damn me!

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