Olympic Games 2024

The IBA's claim was made without evidence and the IBA itself is not considered a trustworthy organisation - the disqualification came after having participated. It was the Russian president of the IBA who disqualified her after she defeated a Russian fighter. The organisation was banned by the IOC in 2019.

It's possible for a woman to have high testosterone levels and male facial characteristics without being intersex, similarly you can be intersex without sporting obvious male facial markers:



Meaning there could be a lot more intersex individuals competing that draw no suspicion due to their appearance, despite many female athletes sporting extraordinary musculature and proportions.

All this to say that for an organisation such as the IOC, it's a very complicated and multifaceted situation that needs to be navigated with careful consideration. From a biological perspective, if we insist on two genders, the line is by no means clear cut - we all start in the womb from the same female base.

Also keep in mind often times intersex people aren't even aware of their status as such, and in the case of Imane Khelif, come from countries where some of the more unsavoury allegations can carry severe repercussions.


We now know Imane Khelif is DSD (intersexed) because IOC has pretty much confirmed this when they panicked to correct a previous statement.

1000038323.jpg

Everyone wants the same thing, to ensure the a person fighting (or competing in other sports) as a female does not have a biological/physical advantage over non-DSD females that results in women being beaten up.

Using basic rational logic and common sense, Imane Khelif seems less of a woman and more a man. Frankly just because they likely don't have a penis (some pictures seem to indicate otherwise) but a vagina and was therefore registered as a female at birth doesn't mean they are a female. Chances are they have internal testes producing testosterone and I would not be surprised if they have XY chromosomes as well.

Either way, have a look at below. If I didn't post this in this thread or mention their name, you and everyone would quickly and without hesitation say "totally a man".

1000038325.jpg

If Imane Khelif really cared about being a fair fighter and wanting to win on talent and skill, they would happily have tests done and publish the results, because there is nothing to hide if they are female right? But much like all the "I am a female" athletes that look more like men, they never want to publically show their biological and physical advantage over females because normally they aren't not that skilled and need the physical advantage over females purely to have some success in the chosen sport.
 
1722838827463.jpg
GOLF: Final results:
Christiaan Bezuidenhout: 16th place at -10, with a round of -2.
Erik van Rooyen: 17th place at -9, with a round of -1.
 
1722838867628.jpg
In the men’s 400 meters, the top 3 from each heat (Q) advance to the Semi-Final, while the rest (Re) move on to the Repechage Round. This means Zakithi Nene and Lythe Pillay still have a chance to qualify for the next round.
 
Noah Lyles place in the race after…
10 meters: dead last
20 meters: dead last
30 meters: dead last
40 meters: dead last
50 meters: 7th
60 meters: 3rd
70 meters: 3rd
80 meters: 3rd
90 meters: 2nd
100 meters: 1st

454230156_1049928393169431_768102481650836990_n.jpg
 
American Lyles had taken victory by five-thousandths of a second from Jamaica's Kishane Thompson in a dramatic photo finish, winning in 9.79 seconds.

All eight men finished within 0.12secs of the gold medal, with last-placed Jamaican Oblique Seville crossing the line in 9.91 - a time good enough for fourth at the Tokyo Games.

And it meant, for the first time, that eight men had run under 10 seconds in a wind-legal race - making it the fastest race of all time.



 
Probably the best 100m sprint in history. Our boy did us proud setting the national record but unfortunately that was outside the medal placing. It's amazing how we wait 4 years for 10 seconds! :P
 
The IBA's claim was made without evidence and the IBA itself is not considered a trustworthy organisation - the disqualification came after having participated. It was the Russian president of the IBA who disqualified her after she defeated a Russian fighter. The organisation was banned by the IOC in 2019.

It's possible for a woman to have high testosterone levels and male facial characteristics without being intersex, similarly you can be intersex without sporting obvious male facial markers:



Meaning there could be a lot more intersex individuals competing that draw no suspicion due to their appearance, despite many female athletes sporting extraordinary musculature and proportions.

All this to say that for an organisation such as the IOC, it's a very complicated and multifaceted situation that needs to be navigated with careful consideration. From a biological perspective, if we insist on two genders, the line is by no means clear cut - we all start in the womb from the same female base.

Also keep in mind often times intersex people aren't even aware of their status as such, and in the case of Imane Khelif, come from countries where some of the more unsavoury allegations can carry severe repercussions.

Idk man, even if you a legit intersex or gender with no man parts or born that way or whatever, you should have the common sense and decency not to go compete against women in a physical sport. Out of everything possible in the world do you really need to go into boxing? it's nonsense no way to make excuses for it.
 
Idk man, even if you a legit intersex or gender with no man parts or born that way or whatever, you should have the common sense and decency not to go compete against women in a physical sport. Out of everything possible in the world do you really need to go into boxing? it's nonsense no way to make excuses for it.

By that logic Michael Phelps should never have competed given his numerous genetic advantages. People aren't born equal, the question of where to draw the line is not straightforward.

People are happy to pile on to Khelif, basically, because of her face. From the neck down there is nothing standout about her physically, there are a number of other female competitors of similar body composition.

This controversy was fuelled by the anti-trans through misleading headlines and that same bigotry still persists in the current conversation.

To be clear I'm making no claims as to her eligibility to compete, just that it's not as cut and dry as some quarters seem to want to make it.
 
By that logic Michael Phelps should never have competed given his numerous genetic advantages. People aren't born equal, the question of where to draw the line is not straightforward.

People are happy to pile on to Khelif, basically, because of her face. From the neck down there is nothing standout about her physically, there are a number of other female competitors of similar body composition.

This controversy was fuelled by the anti-trans through misleading headlines and that same bigotry still persists in the current conversation.

To be clear I'm making no claims as to her eligibility to compete, just that it's not as cut and dry as some quarters seem to want to make it.
Phelps had good luck, Khelif bad luck if really born a gender, it is what it is, bad luck so can't do boxing with women or men, it's really not exclusionary.

Besides Phelps competed with other genetically advantaged regular males though.

Just seems like common logic to me regardless of circumstances.
 
Back
Top Bottom