Olympic Games 2024
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The IBA's claim was made without evidence and the IBA itself is not considered a trustworthy organisation - the disqualification came after having participated. It was the Russian president of the IBA who disqualified her after she defeated a Russian fighter. The organisation was banned by the IOC in 2019.
It's possible for a woman to have high testosterone levels and male facial characteristics without being intersex, similarly you can be intersex without sporting obvious male facial markers:
Meaning there could be a lot more intersex individuals competing that draw no suspicion due to their appearance, despite many female athletes sporting extraordinary musculature and proportions.
All this to say that for an organisation such as the IOC, it's a very complicated and multifaceted situation that needs to be navigated with careful consideration. From a biological perspective, if we insist on two genders, the line is by no means clear cut - we all start in the womb from the same female base.
Also keep in mind often times intersex people aren't even aware of their status as such, and in the case of Imane Khelif, come from countries where some of the more unsavoury allegations can carry severe repercussions.


Probably the best 100m sprint in history. Our boy did us proud setting the national record but unfortunately that was outside the medal placing. It's amazing how we wait 4 years for 10 seconds!![]()
The IBA's claim was made without evidence and the IBA itself is not considered a trustworthy organisation - the disqualification came after having participated. It was the Russian president of the IBA who disqualified her after she defeated a Russian fighter. The organisation was banned by the IOC in 2019.
It's possible for a woman to have high testosterone levels and male facial characteristics without being intersex, similarly you can be intersex without sporting obvious male facial markers:
Meaning there could be a lot more intersex individuals competing that draw no suspicion due to their appearance, despite many female athletes sporting extraordinary musculature and proportions.
All this to say that for an organisation such as the IOC, it's a very complicated and multifaceted situation that needs to be navigated with careful consideration. From a biological perspective, if we insist on two genders, the line is by no means clear cut - we all start in the womb from the same female base.
Also keep in mind often times intersex people aren't even aware of their status as such, and in the case of Imane Khelif, come from countries where some of the more unsavoury allegations can carry severe repercussions.
Idk man, even if you a legit intersex or gender with no man parts or born that way or whatever, you should have the common sense and decency not to go compete against women in a physical sport. Out of everything possible in the world do you really need to go into boxing? it's nonsense no way to make excuses for it.
Phelps had good luck, Khelif bad luck if really born a gender, it is what it is, bad luck so can't do boxing with women or men, it's really not exclusionary.By that logic Michael Phelps should never have competed given his numerous genetic advantages. People aren't born equal, the question of where to draw the line is not straightforward.
People are happy to pile on to Khelif, basically, because of her face. From the neck down there is nothing standout about her physically, there are a number of other female competitors of similar body composition.
This controversy was fuelled by the anti-trans through misleading headlines and that same bigotry still persists in the current conversation.
To be clear I'm making no claims as to her eligibility to compete, just that it's not as cut and dry as some quarters seem to want to make it.